To put an end to the debate (or to fan the flames) I’ve decided to post this four-part examination into the hard-core, rap-core, “Christian” rock band P.O.D. After checking out the links, I’d like to hear from you.
Part 1: What About POD?
Part 2: POD and Rastafarianism
Part 3: POD’s Confusing Christianity
Part 4: What About POD’s Occult Symbols?
So, what do you think?
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1, November 25, 2007 at 1:13 am
let he who is without sin throw the first stone.
(tatoos dont bar you from heaven) pull your head in
1, November 25, 2007 at 8:43 pm
Adam,
What are you talking about?
Please don’t misapply Scripture. Nothing is more annoying than someone who knows two or three bible verses then slings them around in a manner that they were never intended to be. If I had to guess, your other favorite verse is Matthew 7:1.
Secondly, you apparently got hung up on the tattoo stuff. Perhaps you should consider the other items too, like the occultic aspect before coming to the hasty conclusion that you did.
1, November 30, 2007 at 12:57 am
Although I believe your heart is in the right place, there are hundreds of problems with your arguments. I must admit that I don’t have the time to talk about each problem right now, but one that is GLARINGLY wrong is the false accusation that P.O.D. does not present the Gospel. In almost every song, P.O.D. discusses their beliefs. For example, in the song “Every Knee,” Sonny sings “Every knee shall bow… and to the name of Jesus, every tongue shall confess that He is King”(Bliblical quote). Also, in another song, they proclaim “He’s coming back for me and you!”Below, I have added some more lyrics of songs:
“Get it Straight. God’s invisible power and dignity…” - Get It Straight
“I show it, and let it be known, this Great News. I live my life for Christ… We rock the show, we rock some more, and He gets the Glory, because this is how we preach His Word and tell His Story. Because when it comes to my God, there ain’t no playin’ around. We can either get on our knees or we can get down.” - Get It Straight
“Now come and get some of this spirituality. Dedicated my life and I’m a soldier of G-O-D…. Come and get a piece of His Love before it’s too late. We bless You Lord - You’re my God and You’re my life!” - Get It Straight
“Run His Way… But I still believe in You Lord, and I know Your still real Lord. So come and take me away from this place, and everyday I seek Your face.” - Run
“If you live a life of sin then you don’t know what you are getting in to.” - Snuff the Punk
“When my King is speaking you better take a seat kid.” - Snuff the Punk
“So put on the Armour of God (Ephesians), because the day of fighting will come. But the victory is already ours - Three Christs in the Power of One! The Power of Christ.” - Three in the Power of One”
“Christ is King. He is God.” - Every Knee
“Because He’s the One who gives me love, and He’s the One that gives me Truth, and He’s the One who gives me life…if you lose your life than you lose youe soul. He died for you, there ain’t no catch.” - Bonus song from Snuff the the Punk CD
“We give props to Jesus Christ. Yeah, worship That, worship That!” - Bonus song from Snuff the Punk CD
“Abortion is murder! There’s nothing you can say or do to justify the fact that there’s a living, breathing being inside of you.” - Abortion Is Murder
“My faith keeps me driven. The only difference between you and me, Holmes, is that I’m forgiven.” - Know Me
“Can’t bring a brother down when there’s no fear of death. Filled with the Light so you can’t stand the sight of me. Next to the Conquering Lion at His right I’ll be!…Embraced in Your Word I stand, I have no fear… I’m sheltered by Your Blood, Your sweat, and Your tears.” - Selah
“Kill me, beat me, break my bones. I already gave up my life, you’ll never have my soul. Give credit to the One Who paid for your crimes. I suffered for His name and I’m gonna die for mine.” - Selah
“Identify your real Master. Recognize and obey the Sacrifice.” - Selah
“Who’s in me? What I see? What I hear? [It's] my God!…’And it shall come to pass afterwards that I’m going to poor out My Spirit on all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesize, the old men shall dream dreams, and your young men shall see vision’(Biblical quote).” - Visions
“I get up by Your Strength and rise up to Thee, but I’ll stay on my face if You will of me. Shape and mold me until Your through, I humble myself, my life lay before You… I count joy through all my trials and tribulations, because in the end there is peace. Let the beat take you out and get some of that peace. Christ is King.” - One Day
“I’m sitting here waiting for the train to Zion.” - Breathe Babylon
“My King is He in the Power of Three… you get so scared and so mad when I say the Word ‘Jesus.’ I ‘ain’t down, you preach too much,’ but if you ask me, boy, I think I don’t preach enough. I tell you, God is real, so don’t miss the boat… I’m the only person you see, but it ain’t me that you mock. Will you deny His name, or are you will to admit It? And if so, are you will to die for It? Because I am, He is my life, and I don’t have to fear death because he already paid the price. Turn away, turn away, or it’s your own loss, because all I can do is just take them to the Cross.” - Preach
“If Jesus saved your life, could He do it for me? I’d sacrifice my life for you and for Him. I believe God’s Promise, I’m going to see you again. Lord here I am, but I am no one. I believe in Your Name, and in Your Son. And if You leave me here, I’ll do what You want me to. I’ll sacrifice and serve, do what You want me to. I’ll take it day by day and sit at Your feet. Because You are strong when I am weak.” - Full Color
“Before I was lost, but now I am found. I’m seeking the Wise. …No where to run… because You are the Son!” - Seeking the Wise
“Who am I God, that You would cast Your cares and Your mercy and Your forgiveness on a sinner like me?… You came to love, and You died to love. Praise Him!” - Live CD
“Give the Lord your heart right now. This ain’t a rock and roll show. The Lord desires to hear the praises of His People.” - Live CD
“Lord Jesus, i want to be like You!” - Live CD
“I want to praise Him with you guys. Let the Lord speak to your heart. Do not leave this fair grounds without God speaking to your heart. We need Him, we need Him every day, every minute. Praise the Lord people. Do you feel the Presence of God? It’s beautiful, it’s wonderful, it’s satisfying, it’s everlasting, it’s for real!” - Live CD
“Take them to the Cross- When words fail, when you fail. Just show them Jesus. Take them to the Cross!” - Live CD
“Let God heal you, let God restore you, God is in control. Let the Lord restore you. Anybody that has doubts, or is caring the burdens of a lost one. Let the Lord restore you tonight!” - Live CD
“I lie down, and I sleep, and when I wake, You have sustained me!” (Biblical quote from a Psalm of David) - Lie Down
“Tell me Mr. Deadman, do you have the answer? How you can get to heaven?… I’ll tell you if you wanna know, believe in Jah Jah’s [(God's) derived from the term Halellujah] Son.” - Set Your Eyes to Zion
“Leave me Salvation, and pierce these Palms of Holy Hands.” - Set Your Eyes to Zion
Psalm 150 is read in its entirety in Hebrew (Psalm 150 from The Fundamental Elements of Southtown), which for many, sparks a curiousity and successfully motivates them to open up the Word of God to read the English translation and in doing so, find other Scriptures to read as well.
The song “Image” from The Fundamental Elements of Southtown gives us a Biblical Portrait of Christ.
“What good is it for a man to gain the whole world yet lose or forfeit his very self? He must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow Me. If anyone is ashamed of Me then I will be ashamed of him.” - Follow Me
“I tell you the Truth, some of you who are standing hear will not taste death before they see Jah’s (God’s) Creation come with His Power. What can a man give in exchange for his own soul which he cannot save? When the time comes, in His Glory, we will rise” (Biblical quotes). - Follow Me
“They feed us lies. You dressed up my King in false disguise… Tonight we break the surface; for lives we are coming up.” - Outkast
“And now that I know You, I can never turn my back away. And now that I’ve seen You, I could never look away. And now that I’ve seen You, I believe no matter what they say.” - Alive
“I’ve committed my life to Rebirth.” - Boom
“Many were called but the Chosen are few.” - Boom
“It’s the blind leading the blind…There’s gotta be more to life than this, there’s gotta be more to everything that exists.” - Youth of the Nation
“I follow the Son and dance on to Zion.” - Satellite
“This I pledge and I’ll take it to my death: I lay my life down for You and die over again. I’m not ashamed of the Most High even if I die tonight. This I pledge and I take it to my death: You can bet your life on the Word and everything I said. You can’t take away my life for this Sacrifice even if I die tonight.” - The MessenJah
“Some people call You Father, maybe You could set me free. These people hate each other, but You’ve always been there for me. I know You will complete this work started in me. I need You more than ever now that I know Who You are. I need You more than ever now that I’ve come so far.” - Portrait
“Me want untamed Jah (God’s) glow… One leads with the Passion. The Righteous will burn again. One bleeds everlasting. Tribal Fire (God’s Light) will never end.” - Wildfire
“Freedom Fighters ignite Jah (show God). Freedom Fighters shine Jah.” - Freedom Fighters
“Jah say ‘Live Free!’ Jah say ‘Die Free!’” - Freedom Fighters
The song “I and Identify” quotes I Corinthians 13 as the basis for the entire song.
“I will die to breathe again” (Clearly stating that P.O.D. chooses to die to there old selves and breathe, or live, again in Christ). - Asthma
“I believe in the Resurrection of Christ, and His Death brought forth new Life, and He brought back Lazurus from the grave. I believe in the Second Coming. Thou shalt love thy neighbor. I believe in heaven and hell. The Rider of the White Horse is coming back for the righteous and the Morning Star is getting brighter every day. I believe in the Trinity, and I’ll live eternally. I’m not perfect, just forgiven. I believe in One God, one aim, and destinity. Just don’t forget your First Love.” - If It Wasn’t for You
“I can still see the Light at the end of the tunnel shine. Do I believe what I can’t see? How do you know which way the wind blows? Because I can see it all around. ‘When will we sing a new song?’ (a Psalm of David). If joy really comes in the morning time, then I’m going to sit back, relax, and wait until the next sunrise.” - Goodbye for Now
“Jah of Jacob deserving of my love, God Isaac Whom blessing flow from above. Hashem of Abraham will show me the Way. I go down on my knees and this is what I pray. ‘Strength of my life, whom shall I dread when evildoers come to devour my flesh? Even if there would be an army against me, my heart would not fear,’ (a Psalm of David). Take away the scars from my eyes. Annoint You Love upon my life. Have mercy on my soul and hear me when I cry. Don’t abondon me, and don’t forsake me. Lead me on the path of integrity.” - Strength of My Life
“One testifies, see the fire in His Eyes… Mark my words! Who’s got that witch (meaning ‘who’s got my back and is looking out for the evil one sneaking up’). ‘Be not far from me, for trouble is near, and there is none to help (a Psalm of David).” - Mark My Words
“The Son shines; keep your head up towards the Light. Release, the soul is burning so you can learn to fly (learn how to get to heaven). So fly! It’s only your’s if you take it.” - Generation
“I can see Your smile glowing on Your Face. And every time I die You take it (my sin) all away. And looking in Your Eyes, without left to say. Every time I die, You take it all away… He shows me the things I think I already know.” - Every Time I Die
“Truly Amazing! Love for the fallen. Truly Amazing! He heals the broken hearted. Truly Amazing! Love for the fallen. Shine down Your Love! Bring down Your Love!” - Truly Amazing
Also, about smoking pot: Sonny smoked pot before he was Saved. I think if you Google the keywords “Sonny + Testimony” you should find a link to a great video of him sharing his Salvation experience. In addition, the criticism of P.O.D. seemed to be overtly attacking them. We are told in the Bible to correct one another in love, and referring to these men as “brainless,” etc. is not glorifying to God. If you haven’t already, I would suggest that you contact P.O.D. about some of your questions. They are very nice people. You need to go to them first, just as we are commanded to go to a person in private concerning problems. I have personally met them several times and I can assure you that they are indeed our fellow brothers in Christ and they love the Lord. You can feel the warmth of the Love of Christ when you get near them. Please prayerfully accept these words. Just as the Bible states, if you are wise, you will accept the counsel of others. I have considered your concerns, but in the end, I know that what I have said is the truth about P.O.D.
Thanks and God Bless,
Torrey
1, December 3, 2007 at 10:34 am
Pilgrim,
Mathew 7 is one of my favorite chapters, and the Sermon on the hill is one of my favorite passages in the Bible, and I believe that in this case it does apply.
I fully agree with everything that Torrey has to say. He seems like a man who knows God, and sees him clearly. Well put. I would greatly reccomend you talking to the members from P.O.D. before posting any of these misconstrude statements that you have released about them. P.O.D. has helped me through hard times, and improved my relationship with Christ tremendusly. They are truly christians and are just trying to spread the gospel. I know you mean well dude, and are trying to help people not to be misled, but through this article I feel as if you are misleading Christians who love to worship christ through song, and rock and roll. Much Love.
Seth
1, December 3, 2007 at 10:50 am
Heres an interview Sonny had with Highwire.
Highwire Daze: Introduce yourself and tell me what you do in P.O.D.
Sonny: My name is Sonny and I am the throat for P.O.D.
HD: Where is the band from and how long have you guys been together?
Sonny: We are from the South Town San Diego, California. We have been together for almost seven years now.
HD: Describe the music of P.O.D. to someone who has never heard it before.
Sonny: Our music is a colaboration of four diferent characteristics. Each one of us adds a different element to our sound. We like heavy, melodic guitars with phat soulfull grooves topped with aggressive rap vocals. Basically, whatever we write that we feel sounds good, we’re going to play. I don’t think we have too many boundaries on our music. We just play what we feel.
HD: You refer to your band as a ministry. Do you feel like a minister?
Sonny: I feel like I have something to share with whoever might listen.
HD: What are some of the subjects you tend to write about in the songs?
Sonny: We try to stay away from issues as much as possible, but sometimes if we feel really compelled to lay it down then we’ll do so. We write about our experiences as Christians. We write about the power of God in our lives. And then sometimes just about the love and goodness of God.
HD: The last song on your E.P. seems to talk about questioning ones belief in God. Is that accurate and have you ever questioned your beliefs?
Sonny: I never questioned my belief, but I questioned whether or not I have what it takes to walk in this world as a believer. It’s not easy to be one who tries to follow the examples of Christ. But the bible says that God will give me the strength to do so in a world that hates me. I wasn’t raised in the church or grew up a Christian in any way, but recognized myself and how I was living. That last song is actually a testimony of when I became a Christian. I watched my mother pass away of cancer at the age of 37 and she was a Christian the last years of her life. And her example to me as a Christian made me think about life and the world around me. It’s easy to follow the world and live life with no conviction. I had been doing that since I learned the word,” No.” But it takes power to walk and talk like Christ did. To love and serve those around me. To walk in humility. It’s not easy at all, but I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me!
HD: Do you feel that with being signed to Atlantic, that you’ll get the opportunity to reach more people?
Sonny: Sure enough, Atlantic Records has a history, (they are) one of the largest labels out there. So if they do their half of the deal and sell records, then people will first listen to the music and then what we have to say.
8. What do you think of the Black Metal scene that is getting popular with it’s Satanic imagery?
Sonny: I guess it depends on who’s doing it. I know a lot of it is fake and some do it for the attention. But then again there are others who really do believe, and live thier lives accordingly. But I guess you could say the same for the Christian music scene. My heart’s desire as a Christian is to love everyone and hopefully show a new light of God. Most of the world’s outlook on Christians and God today just flat out suck. The sad thing is, that example was set by those who call themselves Christians, but we as individuals hope to change that.
HD: When one thinks about certain forms of Christianity, one thinks of narrow minded, opinionated people. What are your views on people who preach the gospel for profit, who spew out hate (aka racism, homophobia)instead of love?
Sonny: It makes me sick to be honest with you. That is exactly what I was saying about examples. Most of the world claims to be Christian, but their lives don’t reflect that of Christ in any way. Seems to me like Jesus got a bum rap. All these people claim to follow him but wouldn’t even recognize him at a P.O.D. show. (ha ha)
HD: If an Athiest kid came up to you and said he really dug your music but not the message, what would you say to him?
Sonny: I would thank him for just liking our music. At least he didn’t hate us or throw away our CD because we’re Christians. It’s not our responsibility to live other peoples lives. That is a choice that God freely gives every single one of us to make. We only hope that this kid might see a difference in us.
HD: What are P.O.D.’s future plans? Any chance for L.A. dates soon?
Sonny: We fly to New York tomorrow to write music for the upcoming Oliver Stone movie, ON ANY GIVEN SUNDAY, with Al Pacino, Jamie Fox, Cameron Diaz, etc. We hope to play L.A. any chance we can. As for P.O.D., we take it one day at a time. We’re blessed to be alive and to have made it this far.
HD: If there was one thing you’d like to leave someone with after hearing P.O.D.’s music, what would it be?
Sonny: Just that God loves them. It’s your choice to accept it or not. Christ surrendered his life to prove that to us. It’s a lot easier to believe than people think. I’m just trying myself to live my life for God the best that I can and the cool thing is that all God expects from us is to just love him back. But it seems like that is too simple for man to comprehend.
1, January 31, 2008 at 7:19 am
My question: Should we go to the non-believers, or wait for them to come to church? Great of P.O.D to go out to the worst places, my faith is not strong enough to do what they do as I will be consumed by the environment. When I was unsaved, church was the last place I considered.
If it wasn’t for my friend who invited me to church while I was drunk, I don’t know where I’ll be today, so thanks to my Christain friend who came to a “non-Christian” party, and saved my life.
There is no doubt in my mind that P.O.D is doing great work for the Kingdom, and reaching out to people who would not be reached in other means.
In the last couple of years P.O.D has also teached me alot about Jesus, thanks for that guys!
1, February 12, 2008 at 8:53 am
I also have no doubt Sonny loves God, Its just the Rastafarian influences at one time that had me a little worried that they would be heading the wrong direction. POD keep spreading the WORD!
1, February 12, 2008 at 9:15 am
Thanks for your comment George.
I have just two questions. What exactly is the “word” that POD is spreading, and does any of the stuff revealed about POD in the links on this post bother you? Anything at all?
I ask these questions seriously.
Thanks.
1, February 12, 2008 at 9:55 am
POD is a pretty decent band, I would say.
There is a good chance that POD has made many people curious about christianitywho would not have otherwise been…
Isn’t that what you want? more people drawn into the church?
seems to me like they’re on your side!
1, February 12, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Joe;
You said: “POD is a pretty decent band, I would say.”
That is not the standard I choose to gauge “good” by. Not your standard and not mine; but by the biblical standard of what’s “good”.
You also said POD gets more people drawn to church. This looks good on the surface but that is not the point of Christianity. Christianity is to draw people to Jesus Christ! If He is lifted up, then men will be drawn unto Him. In the several POD CDs I used to own, I never found Jesus Christ to be lifted up. And all these people who are “drawn to church” because of POD, who are they?
Additionally, if you’ve spent any time on this blog (which you have) you will see that a huge majority of “churches” are lukewarm or downright apostate.
Is there anyone out there who can honestly say that they were a rotten sinner until they rocked out to POD and now they’ve been transformed and are regenerated?
Again, my two questions are serious and important: What is this “word” that POD is spreading and does anyone (specifically professing Christians) have an issue with the points presented in the links associated with this post?
1, February 12, 2008 at 3:55 pm
There’s no question that many feel that if they “tone it down”, then they will appeal to a larger audience.
I could see “New” christians enjoying it because it bridges the gap between what they would typically listen to and their new found faith.
I, on the other hand, don’t really like it simply because I find them too “preachy”. Hey, that should tell you something! LOL
I didn’t mean to take you post off topic. I’ll shut up now…
1, March 17, 2008 at 5:21 am
Pilgrim,
How come you didn’t respond to Torrey’s message? The guy highlights the many references to Jesus and Christianity in their music. Do you not have an argument? It also appears to me that one man, Dr. Terry Watkins is spear-heading the belligerent message against P.O.D.
I believe that P.O.D. is out to spread God’s word. You can contest this but if you’ve ever checked out the songs Strength of My Life and Roots in Stereo you notice P.O.D. collaborates with Matisyahu. Matisyahu is a Hasidic Jew. Do you think a Hasidic Jew would have anything to do with a band with satanic roots (in reference to Dr. Watkin’s accusation that P.O.D. has satanic connections)? Granted, Matisyahu does not believe in Jesus, but in agreeing to sing with P.O.D. he recognized P.O.D. has a positive message. I see it as two musical acts with profound faiths in the God of Abraham.
Perhaps you guys should look into some of the other things Dr. Watkins puts out. It seems to me he is the wolf in sheep’s clothing. He’s pulling the wool over everyone’s eyes. He enjoys ripping apart many of today’s anointed and successful Christian musicians including P.O.D. but also The Newsboys, DC Talk, Michael W. Smith, and even Jars of Clay. I’d like to hear Mr. Watkins make some “good” Christian music since apparently none can be found. Lets see how many souls he saves…
1, March 17, 2008 at 8:26 am
Dear Jordan,
I don’t expect to convince anyone of anything on this matter. If you have reviewed the links and saw (for example) all the occultic stuff POD has on their albums, and their use of “Jah” (that’s not the God of the Bible) and still have no problem with it, then so be it.
I must say, I found your argument to be shortsighted. Your defense for POD is that they make mention of Jesus’ name and Christianity. Uh . . . ok. So do Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses and Catholics. Last time I checked, the mere mention of Jesus does not make one a Christian. Remember, the wolves will be in sheep’ clothing. They’re going to talk like Christians, Jordan. They’re going to use the same words and sound just like a Christian. That’s why it is vital to look deeper than just what someone says to appease the shallow that believe whatever they’re told. If you believe stuff on a surface level only, then I must conclude that you believe what politicians always say too.
You see, I have an issue with a band who claims Christ, but then does some of the stuff as seen in the links. No, I’m not talking about the tattoos, I’m speaking on more of the serious issues.
And you’re throwing the baby out with the bathwater regarding Mr. Watkins. I certainly take what he says with a grain of salt, (for example, I’m not of the KJV-only school of thought) but he makes some very startling points in his articles on the POD subject. You’d be better off dealing with the issues than attacking the messenger. (Mormons love to do that with people like Dr. Walter Martin).
I also found it disturbing how you quickly glossed over the fact that professing believers in Jesus can team up with one who denies our Lord and Savior to rock out together, then you spin it to say “Do you think a Hasidic Jew would have anything to do with a band with satanic roots . . .” Very clever spin to avoid the deeper issue that they teamed up with a man who publicly rejects our Lord and Savior and the sacrifice He made to redeem mankind. The Bible says those who deny the Son have the spirit of anti-Christ (Those are not my words Jordan).
The world and the church (that looks just like the world) keep lowering their view of our holy and righteous God, and their view of the seriousness of their sin has also lowered as well. A little leaven has long ago crept in and the whole lump has certainly been ruined.
Michale W. Smith has admitted on Larry King that during the height of his career he was addicted to hardcore drugs. Amy Grant has taken a nosedive. And the list goes on and on. I am not expecting perfection, but there’s a whole lot more that goes on behind the scenes of CCM than most listeners know about. Many people throw the word “anointed” around like it’s going out of style, without ever examining whether or not that person or their message really is “anointed.” (Been in those churches too).
When I got saved I got rid of my secular music. When I really got saved I got rid of my “Christian” music. (Most of you reading that will be scratching your heads right now. Some of you know exactly what I’m talking about). Our worship of, love for, and reverence for God and all things holy will only rise as high as our view of Him. Many of us have made God in our image; a God who has no resemblance to the God revealed to us in the Scriptures.
I really have no desire to go toe to toe with you, arguing about the merits of POD. I have offered the links for those who want to check it out themselves and to form their own opinion. I used to listen to POD. I used to be caught up in the whole Christian Rock scene. I’ve been where you (and others posting on here) are.
I leave you with one request–no, I plead with you! Please listen to this sermon. (You can watch the sermon here). It was a message delivered to 5,000 youth at a youth convention in 2002. It is the most downloaded sermon on the internet and it will help you better understand where I, and many others like me, are coming from. I warn you though, this sermon will not leave you unchanged. One of two things will happen:
1). The Holy Spirit will convict you and you will begin to experience a radical change in your life.
2). Your heart will become that much more hardened to the truth.
I will be more than happy to discuss what you heard in that sermon if you so desire.
Respectfully,
- The Pilgrim
1, March 17, 2008 at 9:01 am
If mentioning biblical or Christian terminology makes music “Christian”,check out these gospel classics:
Stairway to Heaven-Led Zepplin
Highway to hell-AC/DC
Hells Bells-AC/DC
Running with the devil-Van Halen
Creeping Death-Metallica
Best of both Worlds-Van Halen
Every song by “Judas” Priest
1, March 17, 2008 at 10:59 am
Pilgrim,
I am unclear how I am to discern who is a true believer. I was under the impression that what people say and what they do were the only things that could help me to make this determination. The testimony of Torrey convicts me that POD are indeed truly believers. I understand the dangers of wolves in sheeps clothing, but I do not know how I am supposed to see the wolf if he is indeed there. If you threw out your “Christian” music, are there any artists that you believe to be true believers? I guess that question could apply to secular artists as well. For example, having researched the life and writings of Bono extensively, I would have to conclude that he is indeed a true believer. In the christian scene I have always been struck by the words and actions of Rich Mullins. Just a few thoughts…
In Him
1, March 19, 2008 at 10:08 am
Does anyone remember in the New Testament where it talks about eating meat. If you feel eating meat is wrong than do not do it, if not than go ahead and eat it, but be careful not to do it if a brother who is convicted by it, sees you eat it, and then eats, even though he believes it is wrong. I think that is where this arguing about Christian/Secular music has been for a long time. I don’t believe there are different levels of Christianity by any means, but the Scriptures make it very clear that the Holy Spirit will convict each of us independently. Music is a very powerful ministry tool. There are many who love nothing more than to listen to praise and worship 24/7, but there are many others who would hang themselves from a rope after 5 min. of praise music. Pilgrim, I believe that God has given you a very strong conviction about how you feed your soul with music. I really respect that. I don’t have the same convictions you do, I like to do research on an artist, whether in the cd liner or just to Google them, find out what they believe in, before I commit to listen. I also have a friend who has an obvious annointing upon his life. He is a pastor who owns his own tattoo and piercing shop, rides a Harley type bike, and holds his church services in a bar. Some of the places he ministers, I could not even go into. God has given him a wonderful ministry, an ability to reach people most of us would not even talk to. Jesus certainly would talk to them. Long story short Pilgrim, you have a God given ministry to search out the truth in music/musicians and present the facts to those who would desire it. You must then be willing to step back and let the Holy Spirit convict those whom he would, to let each person search out their own heart and make a decision as to what God would have them digest. It is not my desire to preach at any of you, this is my two cents. God has given us the map(Bible) and a guide(Holy Spirit), let’s use them. Rock On!!!
1, April 30, 2008 at 1:44 pm
uhh…. i just came across this, but when “pilgrim” said the use of occultic symbols… have you heard of Demon hunter. Great Christian band. Christian melodic death metal/ metalcore. Their symbolis a demon skull with a bullet hole in its head. They say quote, “Absolutely, we are Bible believing folowers of Christ. Listen to PODs music. You need to get pass the symbols.
1, April 30, 2008 at 1:49 pm
secondly, is it your job to judge weather POD is Christian. We will all know at the end of days. It is Jesus’ job to decide weather someone has done his will. Why do you care?
1, April 30, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Thank you for your comments Ben. I have copied and pasted them to the same post on the new blog Defending. Contending. You can see it here.
1, July 10, 2008 at 8:12 am
Well, I have actaully had the same idea you had…
People we need to realize that, when we are praising our Lord God, it must be pure, when something is shady we should just leave it behind. We cannot judge, which is true, but we also MUST have discernment. Honestly if we take the rock band P.O.D, first of all they sing to Jah, if we look up what Jah means we see that, that is in reference to the Emperor of Ethiopea, a man, who they said was ‘God in reincarnate’, right there was enough to know that P.O.D was not right for me. Everyone has say to what they believe but scripture tell us that we cannot be lukewarm for the Lord will spit you out. If we take P.O.D as a worldly band then I might feel somewhat different, but then again I won’t, why you might ask? Well because if someone is not praising Our Lord Our God, then why should we care to listen to them?? Lets be frank society is bringing God to fit our lifestyles, and so on, but we should be coming to God’s level. If you ever have doubt on anything you should research it without being bias but having an open mind. Personally, I researched this group P.O.D and found that it does not help my spirit so I let it go. We must have discernment, because we must keep in mind that the Devil masquerades as a Christian. But when its too late his mask will come off and out comes the monster.
Christians, before throwing at another Christian… research, research, research, not only the band but what the Bible tells us. Is it worth losing focus, and arguing with your brother over a $11.99 CD? I clearly dont think so, so dont be silly look into it.
P.O.D doesnt reflect God. No I am not judging, and I never will. If anything its holding accountability. P.O.D if we look them up say they do not want to be a CHRISTIAN band. If this is not enough, then wait until the devil comes out.
Look up what Rastafari is, and check and see how much they have in common. And just incase Rastafari isnt Christian. for the follow a man… And its not just Jesus.
People dont jump to conclusions, read and becom knowledgeable…
Y.C
1, July 14, 2008 at 11:47 pm
Thanks for your comment Y.C.
Since this blog has moved, I put your comment on the new blog and you can find it here.
- The Pilgrim
1, July 21, 2008 at 7:11 pm
I am with Pilgrim, and Y.C. It matters, if we are not lifting up Jesus Christ in our speach, and in Song. The word tells us not to conform to this world, but to be transformed by the renewing of our minds. The Scriptures also tells us that in the last days, we will be lovers of ourselves, revilers, and so on. Scripture also tells us that so few find the narrow path to heaven. That many will claim to be followers of Jesus and not enter into the kingdom of God. It doesn’t matter whether we claim to be a Christian, does our life reflect this. Do others see this in our actions, not just our words. One of the video’s that I researched, is “Addicted” It has a band member sucking on an egg. Research the background/meaning to that. Even if you didn’t what could possibly be edifying about sucking on an egg in a very sensual gesture? We are suppose to ‘very simply put’ to reflect Jesus!!! Can you honestly say you can picture Jesus sucking on an egg.
Matthew 7:13-14 Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
Matthew &:15-Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by thir fruits, (this is a righteous judgement). Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them. (commentary) Beware of false prophets: Deuteronomy 13:1-11; 18:20-22 provide information on discerning and responding to false prophets. The way to tell false teachers from teachers of truth is by their fruits. Fruits here refers to more than their deeds; it includes their doctrine (see 16:12; 1Joh 4:1-3), A person speaking in the name of God is to be tested by the doctrines of Scripture. The same principle still holds true today. Speaksers and teachers should be tested against the truths in God’s Word (seed Jude 3; Rev. 22:18,19). One last thought on this… Many may say that P.O.D. is reaching the lost, but how many of them are becoming wolves in sheeps clothing. Preaching another God, believing in a different God of the word. Yes, P.O.D. does preach right on in their lyrics about how God has made them so wonderful, but what kind of God do the represent when they are sucking on eggs, and other corrupt, occultic and satanic gestures, not to mention the other bands who clearly represent Jesus haters that they support by having fellowship with them. Don’t forget, they are ministering to a very vulnerable age group of a majority.
Matthew 7:21-23 Not everyone who says to Me, “Lord, Lord, shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name? And then I will decla;re to them, ‘ I never knew you; depart from Me, you who PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS!!
James 1:26-27 If anyone among you thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this one’s religion is useless. PURE and UNDEFILED religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and TO KEEP ONESELF UNSPOTTED FROM THE WORLD.
EVIL PRODUCES CONFUSION
James 3:13-18
Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by GOOD CONDUCT that his works are done in the MEEKNESS of wisdom. But if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts, do not boast and LIE AGAINST THE TRUTH. This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic. For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there. But the wisdom that is from above is FIRST PURE, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and GOOD FRUITS. WITHOUT PARTIALITY and WITHOUT HYPOCRISY. Now the fruit of righteousness is SOWN in PEACE by those who MAKE PEACE.
PRIDE PROMOTES STRIFE
James 4:1-6
Where do wars and fights come from among you? Do they not come from your desires for pleasure that war in your members? You lust and do not have. You murder and covet and cannot obtain. You fight and war. Yet you do not have because you do not ask. You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures. Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that FRIENDSHIP WITH THE WORLD IS ENMITY WITH GOD? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an ENEMY of GOD. Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, “The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously”? But He gives more grace. Therefore He says; “God resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble.”
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Therfore submit to God, RESIST the DEVIL and he will flee from you. Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and PURIFY your hearts, you DOUBLE-MINDED. Lament and mourn and weep! Let your laughter be turned to mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and He will lift you up.
2 Timothy 3:1-9
But know this, that in the last days perilous (dangerous, greivous) times will come:
For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, UNHOLY, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, BRUTAL, DESPISERS of GOOD, TRAITORS, headstrong, haughty, LOVERS OF PLEASURE, rather than lovers of God, having a FORM OF GODLINESS, but DENYING its power. And from such people turn away! (P.O.D. clearly puts down Christians) For of this sort are those who CREEP into households and make captives of gullible women (and children; emphasis added) loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Now as Jannes and Jambres RESISTED Moses, so do these also RESIST the truth, men of CORRUPT minds, disapproved concerning the faith; but they will progress no further, for their folly WILL BE MANIFEST TO ALL, as theirs also was.
For those who are interested there is some documentary on rock-n-roll and it’s roots in some video’s called “They sold their souls to rock-n-roll and the true agenda.
God Bless
KJ